{"id":8132,"date":"2017-05-17T15:01:47","date_gmt":"2017-05-17T15:01:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/?p=8132"},"modified":"2019-03-18T10:56:02","modified_gmt":"2019-03-18T10:56:02","slug":"citadelles-en-allemagne-citadels-in-germany","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/blog\/2017\/05\/17\/citadelles-en-allemagne-citadels-in-germany\/","title":{"rendered":"Citadelles en Allemagne et au Pays-Bas <br><i>Citadels in Germany and the Netherlands<\/i>"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8135\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/blog\/2017\/05\/17\/citadelles-en-allemagne-citadels-in-germany\/citadels-hig\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"347,346\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Citadels&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig.jpg\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-8135 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig-301x300.jpg 301w, https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/Citadels-hig.jpg 347w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Je viens de recevoir des boites de la version allemande de la nouvelle \u00e9dition \u00ab\u00a0de luxe\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0 de Citadelles. J\u2019imagine que les versions tch\u00e8que et surtout hollandaise seront identiques. Les Pays-Bas, o\u00f9 le jeu s&#8217;appelle Machiavelli,\u00a0 sont le pays o\u00f9 mon jeu est le plus populaire.<\/p>\n<p>La logique de cette \u00e9dition est tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rente de celle de l\u2019\u00e9dition am\u00e9ricaine, et des nouvelles boites en fran\u00e7ais et dans bien d\u2019autres langues. Avec l\u2019\u00e9quipe de Windrider Game, nous avions cherch\u00e9 \u00e0 \u00e9tablir une version d\u00e9finitive de Citadelles, en modernisant, en le dynamisant et en lui donnant plus de vari\u00e9t\u00e9. Hans im Gl\u00fcck avait un objectif tout autre, qui correspond peut-\u00eatre plus aux attentes du march\u00e9 allemand, non pas une version d\u00e9finitive mais une version compl\u00e8te, ce qui est tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rent. Du coup, apr\u00e8s avoir repris tous les nouveaux \u00e9l\u00e9ments de l\u2019\u00e9dition am\u00e9ricaine, les nouveaux personnages plus \u00e9quilibr\u00e9s, les nouveaux quartiers acc\u00e9l\u00e9rant la partie\u2026. ils ont r\u00e9introduit tous les \u00e9l\u00e9ments des \u00e9ditions pr\u00e9c\u00e9dentes que nous avions choisi d\u2019\u00e9liminer.<\/p>\n<p>Je pensais que cette \u00e9dition serait une occasion d\u2019harmoniser un peu les r\u00e8gles et les cartes du jeu entre les diff\u00e9rentes versions, ce n\u2019est pas encore tout \u00e0 fait le cas, m\u00eame s\u2019il y a des progr\u00e8s ici et l\u00e0 &#8211; la r\u00e8gle interdisant les deux quartiers identiques fait enfin son apparition en allemand.<\/p>\n<p>J\u2019esp\u00e9rais surtout qu\u2019une \u00e9dition \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9finitive\u00a0\u00bb permettrait de se d\u00e9barrasser d\u00e9finitivement de la malheureuse extension \u00ab\u00a0cirque\u00a0\u00bb, et celle-ci est toujours l\u00e0 &#8211; alors m\u00eame que ses rares bonnes id\u00e9es ont \u00e9t\u00e9 reprises dans de nouvelles merveilles. C\u2019est sans doute l\u00e0 mon principal regret, et je sugg\u00e8re aux possesseurs des nouvelles grandes boites tch\u00e8ques, hollandaises ou allemandes de Citadelles de s\u2019amuser avec tous les nouveaux personnages et les nouvelles merveilles, et d\u2019utiliser les 15 cartes Cirque pour faire des marque-pages &#8211; les illustrations n\u2019ont rien \u00e0 voir avec Citadelles, mais elles sont jolies.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/?p=6048\">Plus de d\u00e9tails sur la nouvelle \u00e9dition<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>Citadelles<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #993300;\"> Un jeu de Bruno Faidutti<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #993300;\"> 2 \u00e0 8 joueurs \u2013 30 \u00e0 60 minutes<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #993300;\"> Publi\u00e9 par Windrider Games, Edge, Hans im Glueck<\/span><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.trictrac.net\/jeu-de-societe\/citadelles\/infos\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tric Trac<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.boardgamegeek.com\/boardgame\/205398\/citadels-2016-edition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Boardgamegeek<\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/citadels-999.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8134\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/blog\/2017\/05\/17\/citadelles-en-allemagne-citadels-in-germany\/citadels-999\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/citadels-999.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"450,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Citadels&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/citadels-999.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-8134\" src=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/citadels-999-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/citadels-999-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/citadels-999-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/citadels-999.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I just received two boxes of the German version of the new \u00ab\u00a0deluxe\u00a0\u00bb version of Citadels. I imagine that the Czech and, more importantly, Dutch versions will be the same. The Netherlands, were the game is called Machiavelli, are, by far, the country where this game is the most popular.<\/p>\n<p>The idea behind this edition is completely different from the idea behind the US, and the other future international versions of Citadels. The Windrider team and I wanted to design the definitive version of Citadels, meaning a modernised game, faster paced, with more variety and replayability. Hans im Gluck is aiming at something different, not a definitive but a complete edition. I was told it&#8217;s better for the German market. This means that, after taking all the elements, old and new, from the Windrider edition\u2026 they added back all the stuff from former versions we had decided to ignore or deliberately removed.<\/p>\n<p>I hoped the newt Citadels would be an opportunity to harmonise the rules and elements between the different versions. It\u2019s not completely done yet, even when there\u2019s some progress, like the \u00ab\u00a0no two identical districts\u00a0\u00bb which has finally been added to the German rules &#8211; it was absent for twenty years because it had been forgotten\u00a0 in the very first translation.<\/p>\n<p>But I mostly hoped that this edition would be a good opportunity to get rid definitely of the unfortunate Circus expansion, and this one is still there, even when its few good ideas are also recycled in some on the new purple buildings. That\u2019s my main issue with this new big box, which otherwise makes for a much better, faster and smoother gaming experience than the older editions of Citadels. I suggest that the German, Dutch and Czech buyers of the new Citadels have fun with the new characters and unique purple district, and may be use the 15 Circus cards as bookmarks &#8211; their graphics have nothing to do in the Citadels Renaissance setting, but they are cute.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/?p=6048\">More details on this new \u00e9dition<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>Citadels<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #993300;\"> A game by Bruno Faidutti<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #993300;\"> 2 to 8 players \u2013 30 to 60 minutes<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #993300;\"> Published by Windrider Games, Edge, Hans im Glueck<\/span><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.boardgamegeek.com\/boardgame\/205398\/citadels-2016-edition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Boardgamegeek<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Je viens de recevoir des boites de la version allemande de la nouvelle \u00e9dition \u00ab\u00a0de luxe\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0 de Citadelles. J\u2019imagine que les versions tch\u00e8que et surtout hollandaise seront identiques. Les Pays-Bas, o\u00f9 le jeu s&#8217;appelle Machiavelli,\u00a0 sont le pays o\u00f9 mon &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/blog\/2017\/05\/17\/citadelles-en-allemagne-citadels-in-germany\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[31],"tags":[15],"class_list":["post-8132","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-citadelles-citadels","tag-citadelles"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2HNOP-27a","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8132","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8132"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8132\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10428,"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8132\/revisions\/10428"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8132"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8132"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/faidutti.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8132"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}